Threat Vector | The Adversarial Hacker Mindset

dmoulton — Thu, 11 Dec 2025 17:00:00 GMT

In this episode of Threat Vector, host ⁠Michael Heller⁠, Managing Editor for Cortex and Unit 42 and Executive Producer of the podcast, sits down with long-time security leaders ⁠Greg Conti⁠ and ⁠Tom Cross⁠ to unpack the hacker mindset and the idea of “dark capabilities” inside modern technology companies. Greg, Principal at Kopidion Cybersecurity and a former Army Cyber Institute founder, and Tom, Head of Threat Research at GetReal and Senior Associate at Kopidion, explain why the real risk is not just what a product is supposed to do, but everything it is technically capable of doing in the hands of insiders, governments, or determined adversaries.

Drawing on their DEF CON trainings in adversarial thinking and recent talks on effects based operations for tech companies, they explore how security leaders can systematically map their organization’s hidden capabilities, stress test them with an “if we decided to be evil” lens, and then build the technical and institutional guardrails that keep both people and platforms aligned with ethical and strategic goals. This conversation is especially important for decision makers tasked with securing the workforce in an era of AI, pervasive sensors, and increasingly blurred lines between defense and offense.

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