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Blocking Scammer website (cryptocurrency)

Remko — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:06:35 GMT

I stumbled accros this article on Bleeping Computers

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/tiktok-flooded-by-elon-musk-cryptocurrency-giveaway-scams/

To my surprise the URL's mentioned in the article where considered safe.

Palo Alto had these categorized as for example

Stock-Advice-and-Tools
Low-Risk
Newly-Registered-Domain

So I figured I would block the newly-registered-domain as these are often used by scammers or malicious users. They pop-up and disappear very frequently.

Unfortunately that did not work. According to my logging the URL's are "not-resolved" and the domains itself appear to have a very short TTL (5 minutes)

The only thing I could think of is to add these domains to my manual block list.

So my question is basically, what can I do to block these sites in a pro-active way?
These scammers appear to be pretty smart circumventing our safety systems.

Any thoughts are more than welcome.

Remko

Re: Blocking Scammer website (cryptocurrency)

TomYoung — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:35:34 GMT

Hi @Remko ,

It is interesting that your logs say "not-resolved", which means the NGFW was unable to connect to the cloud. See row 37 in the following URL. https://knowledgebase.paloaltonetworks.com/KCSArticleDetail?id=kA10g000000Cm5hCAC

With normal cloud connectivity, you should be able to block the Unknown category (row 65) and URLs that have not been categorized should be blocked.

There is always a balance between security and availability, and there is the potential that blocking Unknown may negatively impact sanctioned browsing. The table says that blocking Not-Resolved could be very disruptive. We don't want all web sites blocked that are not cached when the NGFW loses connectivity to the cloud.

Thanks,

Tom

Re: Blocking Scammer website (cryptocurrency)

Remko — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:17:12 GMT

Hi @TomYoung ,

Interesting finding. Very helpful !
I have never given this much thought as most websites are classified according to what is expected.

As it appears our Palo Alto is missing the last step described at #37

Indicates that the website was not found in the local URL filtering database and the firewall was unable to connect to the cloud database to check the category. When a URL category lookup is performed, the firewall first checks the dataplane cache for the URL, if no match is found, it will then check the management plane cache, and if no match is found there, it queries the URL database in the cloud. When deciding on what action to take for traffic that is categorized as not-resolved, be aware that setting the action to block may be very disruptive to users.

So the question that comes to mind is why it doesn't do the last step. Should this just work out-of-the-box or is it a setting that might be overlooked? Our device is able to do DNS queries just fine. I need to dig deeper to see if this is the case.

Remko

Re: Blocking Scammer website (cryptocurrency)

Remko — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:28:54 GMT

From what I understand is that the URL check works without configuration
https://docs.paloaltonetworks.com/advanced-url-filtering/administration/url-filtering-basics/how-url-filtering-works

When I query the URL filtering site on PaloAltoNetworks it is classified as

And the firewall gives the following

I am puzzled 🙂

Re: Blocking Scammer website (cryptocurrency)

TomYoung — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:29:14 GMT

Hi @Remko ,

Exactly! What does "show url-cloud status" show? https://docs.paloaltonetworks.com/advanced-url-filtering/administration/troubleshooting/pan-db-cloud-connectivity-issues

Thanks,

Tom

Re: Blocking Scammer website (cryptocurrency)

Remko — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:56:27 GMT

You might be onto something.

It shows "nothing"

Currently troubleshooting the ruleset. Unfortunately I need to leave from work and I will continue my efforts tomorrow.
I appreciate the time and effort !

Remko

Re: Blocking Scammer website (cryptocurrency)

Remko — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 10:03:00 GMT

We noticed that it was some time ago that we had updated our Palo Alto.
So this morning we updated both appliances and Voila.

The cloud connection started working again.

I still need to check the monitoring log but I believe we made some excellent progress.

Thanks again !

Re: Blocking Scammer website (cryptocurrency)

Remko — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 13:12:23 GMT

As expected the domain is now correctly recognized and clasified.

Case closed.