topic Re: What is hidden locally on a device when being managed by Panorama? in General Topics

What is hidden locally on a device when being managed by Panorama?

mikand — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:55:54 GMT

When you configure a PA device to be managed by Panorama the first thing that (when you login through web-gui directly to the managed device) goes away is the contents of running-config.xml regarding address objects and security policies.

These settings can instead be obtained by login through CLI/SSH and run "show config pushed".

But what about PANOS version, Appid db, Threat (IPS/AV) db etc?

I mean can I trust the output of web-gui when login directly to the managed device and watch which versions are active of OS/AV/IPS etc or do I have to login to the Panorama to be sure whats actually being runned?

Re: What is hidden locally on a device when being managed by Panorama?

essnet — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:59:58 GMT

in GUI you see the resulted push of local+Panorama Objects.

In addition, in all menus (especially Objects ones) you see if objects are 'local' or 'Panorama' (column Location).

Over here we always connect to local appliances because Panorama switching context is so slow. We connect to Panorama only to edit global objects that should be broadcasted to all appliances.

Re: What is hidden locally on a device when being managed by Panorama?

mschuricht — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:38:21 GMT

4.1.7 and 4.1.8 have improvements to context switching speeds. Have you tested with these SW versions?

5.0 has even faster context switching improvements that we would recommend investigating.

We are interested in investigating the slowness if you want to open a case with support.

Re: What is hidden locally on a device when being managed by Panorama?

mschuricht — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:05:47 GMT

You can always trust what is being shown in the UI for objects, policies, content versions, etc. The question is just where the configuration lives. Panorama config lives, from a CLI perspective, in a separate place than the "running" configuration, although it is technically part of the dataplane config once a Panorama config push succeeds.

'show config running' does not include Panorama pushed config and is only device config

'show config pushed' shows Panorama only config and no device config

Re: What is hidden locally on a device when being managed by Panorama?

essnet — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:41:56 GMT

I just tested : 55 seconds on Chrome, 120 seconds with IE on 4.1.9

On my big 5050 which holds 300 rules, it won't even load the context (Loading context forever).

So no it's not better :smileygrin:

I will open a ticket as you requested : I was told by PAN people in the past wait for it to get better, didn't know you wanted a special feedback

Re: What is hidden locally on a device when being managed by Panorama?

mikand — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:55:17 GMT

Ok, so if the local PA device says "0" as threat db version in the gui I can trust this (which would mean that this device never got any threat db deployed)?

Re: What is hidden locally on a device when being managed by Panorama?

mschuricht — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:26:56 GMT

Correct