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TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

Brandon_Wertz — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:30:53 GMT

My security counter parts came to me letting me know that in Chrome version 70.X+ TLS 1.3 will be turned on by default. This appears to be causing problems in our current firewall deployment:

A/P HA-par 5220s running 8.0.10 (soon to be 8.0.12).

It looks like Google has released an article describing what's going on:

https://www.chromium.org/Home/tls13

In this article it highlights how Cisco FirePower devices can be configured to avoid issue. Does anyone know how to correct this in Palo?

Here is the error the users get (TLS1.3 Downgrade detected)

This is the traffic log for the user traffic. "Webmail" access is allowed, and we're doing SSL decryption.

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

Brandon_Wertz — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:41:13 GMT

The current Chome build of the user machine is:

Current Chorme Build (Beta): 70.0.3538.35

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

uvdes — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 16:52:46 GMT

Excellent question. I pressed the Me Too button on this one.

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NH_PASec1 — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:53:16 GMT

+1 - I have that same question out.

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Brandon_Wertz — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:05:22 GMT

I've got a support case open on this as well so we'll see what comes of it.

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

Brandon_Wertz — Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:47:03 GMT

The current request from TAC is to set the "max" value on the decryption profile from "max" to TLS1.2.

I'm getting a change window approved for this. We'll see what comes of it.

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

MichaelMelone — Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:57:49 GMT

Let us know what happens.

Decryption method will need to change since the certificate information in TLS1.3 is hidden. There was some breif talk at ignite18 about it. I am interested to see what comes of it.

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

Brandon_Wertz — Wed, 03 Oct 2018 18:05:29 GMT

It seems that the bulk of the problem happens on Chrome browsers. So far haven't been able to reproduce the issue on anything other than Chrome (IE 11/ FF-57 build I think) also don't have a problem.

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

dshiraddi — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:44:59 GMT

Hi Team,

I have similar case on this issue where customer tried the suggestion in the Palo Alto forum to change the MAX value in the decrypt profile to TLS 1.2. However, that didn't help.

particularly he don't want to exclude gmail from decryption. How can we fix this?

Regards,

Devaraj S

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

Brandon_Wertz — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 22:10:01 GMT

You can't...that's the problem and something I hope Palo has an answer for soon.

I haven't been able to try the "max" to TLS1.2 for "max." Like I mentioned previously though in my environment currently though the TLS downgrade issue seems to be gotten around by using a browser other than Chrome.

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Spachtholz — Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:58:36 GMT

We had the same issue. The response we got from TAC was 1.3 won't be supported until at least 9.1.

However, Chrome Beta updated today to Version 70.0.3538.54 (Official Build) beta (64-bit). Now the sites where we were experiencing the ERR_TL13_DOWNGRADE_DETECTED error are working correctly. Has anyone else had the same results?

I'm not sure what changed from the Chrome side. There was no update here https://www.chromium.org/Home/tls13

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

Brandon_Wertz — Fri, 12 Oct 2018 02:12:51 GMT

@Spachtholz wrote:
We had the same issue. The response we got from TAC was 1.3 won't be supported until at least 9.1.

However, Chrome Beta updated today to Version 70.0.3538.54 (Official Build) beta (64-bit). Now the sites where we were experiencing the ERR_TL13_DOWNGRADE_DETECTED error are working correctly. Has anyone else had the same results?

I'm not sure what changed from the Chrome side. There was no update here https://www.chromium.org/Home/tls13

Yes to both. I heard that there might be some support in 9.0, but really nothing really until 9.1.

Also we've been trying to replicate on the same machine / user that reported the problem but we haven't had any issue with any sites. So I'm not really sure what changed.

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RossSenn — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:57:16 GMT

We've got the same issue. Chrome has updated to Version 70.0.3538.67 (Official Build) (64-bit) and we are seeing the error ERR_TLS13_DOWNGRADE_DETECTED

We are trying to access pluralsight and schemeserve

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gcadmin — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:54:59 GMT

I have the same issue with SSL Decrypt on PA-3020 PAN OS 8.1.3

While searching on this issue I found the following:

https://www.chromium.org/Home/tls13?tmpl=%2Fsystem%2Fapp%2Ftemplates%2Fprint%2F&showPrintDialog=1

Exerpt:

"The only Google service with TLS 1.3 enabled at this time is Gmail, thus Chrome 70 should successfully negotiate TLS 1.3 when connecting to Gmail. However, there is a possibility that bugs in software (such as anti-virus software), or hardware middleboxes, that are between Chrome 70 and a TLS 1.3-enabled service like Gmail will cause problems. We have worked hard to tweak TLS 1.3 in ways that workaround the middleware bugs that we're aware of, but there might be things that we don't know about. Thus, if you see the following situation, you might have some buggy software or hardware that we're not aware of and we would be very interested in the details: 1. Chrome 69 works without issues. 2. Chrome 70 works for most sites except Gmail. 3. Gmail fails to load with ERR_SSL_VERSION_INTERFERENCE or ERR_TLS13_DOWNGRADE_DETECTED."

This page also refered to an admin forum thread here:

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome-admins/jRFqwLUh6YA;context-place=forum/chrome-admins

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RossSenn — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:00:08 GMT

Palo Alto decryption appears not to currently support TLS 1.3

If chrome is accessing sites using TLS 1.3 and our Firewalls are trying to decrypt it, we will see this error.

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

OtakarKlier — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:32:24 GMT

Hello All,

The link to the google groups article fixes the issue as it tells Chrome to disable the 1.3 variant.

Just paste the following into the chrome browser address field and it should bring it up, then change the setting to 'Disabled'. You will have to restart your browser.

chrome://flags/#tls13-variant

Cheers!

Re: TLS 1.3 is Coming - How to deal with it????

gcadmin — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:49:58 GMT

Desabling the 1.3 variant works on my PC, but i'm not sure how I would go about deploying this workaround.

I don't have the option to disable 1.3 variant in my Chrome GPO, at least by that name.

Any ideas in that regard?

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gcadmin — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:00:42 GMT

Update on this issue:

"We are aware of two vendors whose products have this bug: Cisco and Palo Alto Networks, although there may be more. We reported the issue to Cisco in December 2017. They released the fix this past August and have published an advisory. Palo Alto Networks recently discovered the issue on their devices and are planning to release PAN-OS 8.1.4, PAN-OS 8.0.14, and PAN-OS 7.1.21 to fix this, tentatively by Nov 30th."

Full link:

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg27066.html

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RossSenn — Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:14:45 GMT

I updated our firmware last night to 8.1.4 and the issue has gone away

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bspilde — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:31:50 GMT

PAN-OS 8.0.14 and 8.1.4 will support TLS 1.3.