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Application Override Question

Jonathan_Panes — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 04:02:18 GMT

Hi All,

I got this question from the learning center for the PCNSE practice exam. Dont know if its allowed to post the screenshot here.

From my understanding of using the application override, the firewall stops any further content inspection. It was also stated on the admin guide:

If you define an application override, the firewall stops processing at Layer-4. The custom application name is assigned to the session to help identify it in the logs, and the traffic is not scanned for threats.

Does using a built-in application on an app-override policy allows the firewall to perform content and threat protection?

Thanks and regards,

Jon

Re: Application Override Question

LukeBullimore — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:37:21 GMT

Hey Jon,

Layer7 processing for an app will only stop when using a PBF rule if you override the app to a custom one i.e "MyCustomApp". Overriding the traffic to an existing app such as web-browsing in this example will keep the content inspection enabled.

Thanks,

Luke.

Re: Application Override Question

OtakarKlier — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:58:39 GMT

Hello,

So if you use Application Override, Content-ID does not occur.

For example, if you build a custom application that triggers on a host header www.mywebsite.com, the
packets are first identified as web-browsing and then are matched as your custom application (whose
parent application is web-browsing). Because the parent application is web-browsing, the custom
application is inspected at Layer-7 and scanned for content and vulnerabilities.
If you define an application override, the firewall stops processing at Layer-4. The custom application
name is assigned to the session to help identify it in the logs, and the traffic is not scanned for threats.

This is from the admin guide on page 580.

Regards,

Re: Application Override Question

OtakarKlier — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:59:57 GMT

Hello,

Also as a side note. I have also looked at the practice exam and there do seem to be errors in the answers. Dont trust the practice questions, go by what the guides state.

Regards,

Re: Application Override Question

Jonathan_Panes — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 02:31:09 GMT

Thanks for the reply.

So just to confirm, threat content scanning will still be enabled for app-override policies using:

1. pre-built applicaition

2. custom application with a pre-built parent app

Re: Application Override Question

Jonathan_Panes — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 02:31:30 GMT

Thanks Luke.

Re: Application Override Question

Jonathan_Panes — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 03:51:10 GMT

I tried to lab this up.

I created a custom app with for tcp/80 with the parent application as web-browsing. Enable scanning for file types, viruses, data patterns. Then added that application to an application override policy. I tried to download the eicar test file for http. The download proceeded.

When i changed the application override to use the application web-browsing. The file got blocked.

I may need clarification on this line: Because the parent application is web-browsing, the custom
application is inspected at Layer-7 and scanned for content and vulnerabilities.

Re: Application Override Question

LukeBullimore — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:13:39 GMT

Hey @Jonathan_Panes

When you create a custom application, it will take precedence over the predefined applications. When you're using your custom app-id in the App override, the Layer7 will stop. When you put web-browsing in the App Override, Layer7 can continue, hence you could download the file.

Thanks,

Luke.

Re: Application Override Question

mvdven — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 09:36:05 GMT

Can anyone point me to using/applying an override to a predefined application, like web-browsing?

All I find are documents on how to create a custom application, create an override for it. I want to create a rule that allows web-browsing AppID over a port other than 80 or 8080.

Adding Service TCP_12345 for example, will allow any app using port 12345. So that answer ain't valid.

When creating an override on web-browsing with tcp port 12345. The policy(/ies) with web-browsing allowed will do nothing with the created override even though all the zones sources and targets are provided and match.

Re: Application Override Question

batd2 — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 06:23:12 GMT

I am looking at exactly the same question. My understanding is also that content inspection will happen when overriding to an existing AppID, however I could not find any PA article explaining that. They all say that inspection stops at Layer 4: can someone someone point me to the KB or admin guide confirming the behaviour?

Re: Application Override Question

OtakarKlier — Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:55:37 GMT

Hello,

https://knowledgebase.paloaltonetworks.com/KCSArticleDetail?id=kA10g000000ClRoCAK

Scroll down:

"For most use cases, we recommend creating a simple custom application with as few attributes as possible, as the app override will bypass scanning or signature detection."