Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

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Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

Lately a few customers are planning an upgrade from 3000  to the new 3200 and 5200. Often they run 7.1.x and the new platforms only support 8.1.x. Normally these are high sensitive environments and the request is to shift the existing configuration with as little change as possible to reduce impact and upgrading the old firewalls before the upgrade is not an option.

 

My first thought was using the Migration Tool. However looks like the tools has not been updated much lately, I guess because the effort is on Expedition and I am worried about incompatibilities between the Migration Tool and PanOS 8.1 and the 3200 and 5200 platforms.

Another other option would be taking the old config file and loading it full or partial, but there could be some incompatibilities between PanOS 7.1 and 8.1.

 

Can you please share any experience and ideas on doing the migrations?

L7 Applicator

Re: Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

Are you/your customers may be using panorama?
L4 Transporter

Re: Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

I am looking for migrating the platform without using Panorama. 

L7 Applicator

Re: Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

Then you probably have to migrate this config manually and hope for the best :P

 

I have done something like that only with panorama so I have no real experience with your situation.

Things like the policy and opjects aren't that different in the config-xml, the same with network configuration. In the deviceconfig (and also in the other parts) there are new things to configure but in general it will also work without having them configured. As it will be a try&error process anyway with a migration from 7.1 to 8.1, the easyiest way is to export and import the config and check for errors when you try to commit.

L4 Transporter

Re: Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

Thanks for that. I was hoping if someone can help with better advise than "hope for the best". The load config and clearing erros method would work on small config, but can be difficult in large deployements and it is not very reassuring for a large customer. 

L7 Applicator

Re: Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

Hi @BatD

 

Here are some other methods (until someone writes in the community who already solved your problem):

  • Open a TAC case: PAN-OS 7.1 is still supported so in theory PaloAlto should have a solution for customers like you
  • Do you have a spare device where you could do the config migration?
  • (Probably worse than the try&error method from your customers perspective) upgrade one clustermember to get the migrated config, export it and downgrade back to initial version

 

All in all the try&error methof probably isn't that bad. Of course this needs some time, but as the new hardware should already be there ... and after the first one, you probably know what to check and the remaining ones will be easier...

L7 Applicator

Re: Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

@BatD,

How confortable are you working on the actual XML configuration file, because to the best of my knowledge this is going to be a manual conversion if you can't get them to upgrade there box. The manual process is relatively seemless if you understand how the XML config is actually put together and have a rough understanding of how it gets parsed. 

I would recommend doing as much of the migration manually and doing as much verification as possible. Then when it comes to actually migrating traffic over to the new box scheduling a larger maintenance window. If the firewall is in an HA pair, then you can easily do this without risking too much, as you always have the option of simply failing back to the old firewall if needed until you can fine-tune the configuration. 

 

Really though the manual process and a good review period should prevent any issues for something like this. 

L4 Transporter

Re: Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

I am fairly comfortable working with XML, however how do you know what to change in 7.1 XML to convert it   to 8.1? 

L7 Applicator

Re: Platform Upgrade to 3200 and 5200 series platforms

@BatD
The formatting basically stays the same until you activate any of the new features. When you get the new hardware and it's running 8.1.* simply export the configuration and rebuild in the 8.1 configuration.
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