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When enabling user-id where does it check against to get the information to identify  the users? I have it turned on for serveral zones and it only seems to work on the VPN user-id's.

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Okey dokey, understood, many thanks....

 

from my understanding the agent for AD polls the security log and watches out for domain authentication either from logon, email, shared drives etc... 

the security event also contains the user ip address so this is forwarded to pa, so user has an ip mapping.

 

what i dont understand is how can this be done with radius to syslog. The user ip to radius will be the interface of the PA.

 

so the syslog will show an accepted auth but how can this assist in user ip mapping.

 

sorry to waffle on but this is bugging me....

@MickBall,

So what really happens is that the Radius system is setup to forward the accounting information. Then you get to go build out a Syslog Parse Profile for actually setting up the Regex or Field Identifier info, so that the firewall actually understands where to find the username or address within the syslog. 

 

For example on a Cisco ACS syslog message the regex would look like this:

Event Regex:

NOTICE\ Radius-Accounting(?!(.)+User-Name=host)

Username Regex:

[/w/.-]+(?=, NAS-IP-Address=)

Address Regex:

Framed-IP-Address=([0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1-3}\.[0-9]{1-3}\.[0-9]{1,3}) 

 

So once it's actually properly configured the firewall is going to get the Accounting syslog messages from the Radius server, pull the Username and Address info using the Regex you fed it, and simply associate the IP and user together exactly like user-id is doing through the User-ID agent. This is simply building all of the steps manually. 

@BPry @MickBall @PANgurus

 

My SE gave me this link seems pretty good but I assume there are more ways to do it other that this

 

https://live.paloaltonetworks.com/t5/Integration-Articles/Integrating-Cisco-ISE-Guest-Authentication...

Ok, got it....  nice explanation.

 

this now makes sense via you cisco example because of course the user already has an ip address.

 

could similar be performed via globalprotect radius authentication. I know this is already dealt with locally on th pa but obviously loses its mapping if traversing a second firewall.

 

thanks again for taking the time to explain.

 

@jdprovine,

The steps are going to be pretty much the same regardless of whatever guide you follow. The only thing you'll really have to customize to your enviroment is going to be the Regex used in the Syslog Parse Profile. That will vary depending on what device you are actually using. 

Someone may have already said this but wouldn't you be able to send the radius accounting syslog directly to the PA and not have to relay through another device?

Another thing what if my AD-LDAP, Radius server for the wireless, and active directory domain controller are all the same box?

@BPry @MickBall @PANgurus @OtakarKlier @kiwi

Is anyone using the agentless method? If so pros and cons.

@jdprovine,

There really isn't a true 'agentless' method to be honest. You're taking what the agent would generally do on the server and putting the load on your firewall instead. 

The agentless method can be resource intensive for the servers. Smaller enviroments you'd be fine, but the more users, DCs and more firewalls you setup to actually query the servers the worse it's going to be. 

With the agents these functions are detached. The firewall only need to talk to the agents, and then only the user-id agents need the server/syslog integrations built. 

The nice thing that you can do if you have multiple different firewalls, or use Panorama, is that you can replicate the user-id information to other firewalls. So if you do want to go with the agentless user-id you can perform it on one firewall, and then simply share that information with all other firewalls in your enviroment. Panorama starting with 8.0 can become the User-ID identity store and replicate the user-id information to all attached firewalls. 

 

There are a lot of different user-id integration methods out there and I don't know if I've ever seen an install that is configured exactly the same as another; simply because the enviroments themselves don't look the same. I would really recommend asking your SE for some time to actually talk through your enviroment and see what he thinks you would be best suited for. 

 

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