Khamis, I resent your post. By having an opinion about something does not equate to giving out idiotic advice. You will notice that Im the only one to offer a solution to this problem which is or hasn't been documented property. I spent 3 days trying to remove this client from a test mac - hardly the operation of an easy to use client. Or do you think removing an application is beyond the remit of one's intelligence. While we are on the point I didnt notice you giving any sort of constructive advice. I suggest you engage your brain before trying to be awkward to a fellow poster I'm the future. Re GP and my awful statement I have these feelings because of my experience with GP, 1. There is no(documented) way to uninstall it from a mac, as this poster had highlighted 2. The documentation and configuration scenario examples are vague 3. The client doesn't have some of the functionality of other VPN Clients 4. I don't like the fact that it installs and runs automatically 5. The automatic remember me function caused me lots issues before the latest version was released 6. It intermittently doesnt work when authentication to external RADIUS servers I'm still testing this and are not confident about GP capabilities as a basic VPN client. I love the PA and some of its functions, but feel when PA moved from net connect to GP they made something that was really simple and worked into something that didn't need to be complicated and full of bugs. Rod
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