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L1 Bithead

We have a Cisco ASA that has tunnels to our branch offices.  An Example is  The local network is  The lan port of the ASA is  The lan port of the Palo Alto is  When I change the gateway to one of the servers to use the Palo, it can ping a host on the 192.168.9.x network and the remote network can ping it.  I have a static route in the Palo that points all traffic destined for 192.168.9.x to hit the ASA.  When I try to RDP into the server from teh remote network it fails.  I can go to the command prompt of the server and type "route add mask 255.255.0" and everything works fine.  So my question is, why does it not work pushing the routes via the Palo to the server?


****I can go from the server to the remote subnet fine.


Cyber Elite
Cyber Elite
Routing appears to be fine, but ping is a stateless protocol so will work by simply following the routes
TCP is stateful so requires a little more "logic"
Since the firewall is routing back inside, the packet will retain it's original source IP when increasing the tunnel, causing the remote server to reply back to the original client. This causes the asa to forward the reply packet directly to the client. The client will then send another packet to the firewall, this is where "things go wrong"

The firewall requires statefull sessions for it to apply TCP sanity, build a session and scan for all kinds of interesting metrics. Since the reply from the server never touched the firewall, the TCP handshake is left half open, which is a bad state (sun floods work like this too), so the firewall will want to close this session as soon as possible, breaking your connection

To resolve this, the ASA would either need to be moved into a DMZ, so normal routing through the firewall is achieved, or U-Turn NAT needs to be applied, setting source nat to the firewalls internal ip, so reply packets from the server are forced to the firewall first so it can complete its session creation steps

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Tom Piens
PANgurus - (co)managed services and consultancy

Thank you for the detailed information.  I did have that setup and it seems to work one way (if I take it out, it will not reach the branch)  But it will not reverse and we are thinking it has to do with the ASA.  So for now, I think we are going to add the routes in the servers.  But eventually we will move the tunnels over to the Palo and it will fix it for good.  Again, thanks for your insight.  

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